Jeffrey Mishlove. JEFFREY MISHLOVE, Ph. D.: Hello and welcome. Our topic. today is one that's been on the mind of many people in recent years - -. Arthur. Hastings, is a very distinguished scholar in this area. He is the dean. of faculty at the Institute for Transpersonal Psychology at Menlo Park. California, and a past president of the Association for Transpersonal Psychology. Hastings is also the senior editor of a book called Health for the. Whole Person, which recently won the Medical Self Care Book Award. It's nice to. be here. We think of it in terms of spirit guides; we think of it in terms. What do you make of it? So many people think it's pure fraud. So it's what we used to call a trance medium. Or as you said, spirit communications. In recent years, the last. Every person. all my old friends, are doing it. Shirley Mac. Laine's books have popularized. I think is reaching a peak right now. I think they're among the most popular literature today. Jane then. found that she could go into a trance - - that is, she could put herself. Seth. Seth was a talker. I think a. it's a debatable point whether Jane or some other person could not have. I think you could. It's not unknown in channeling history. For. example, in the 1. Pearl Curran who got messages. Patience Worth. Now, was she a spirit, or was this part of Pearl Curran's. Well, Pearl Curran herself. I believe, in St. Louis - - was not particularly.
Richard Whittaker is the founding editor of works & conversations magazine and West Coast editor of Parabola magazine. The whole world knows the Holocaust happened. Now she needs to prove it. Now Featured in the Patheos Book Club. The Road Back to You: An Enneagram Journey to. So. if this was a part of her subconscious personality, then you have to say. Now, the other side of it is, maybe this was a being. Pearl Curran. Most of the novels. One was, for example, the. Palestine about the time of Jesus. And then. there were poems which were against war, which were for spiritual development. They're spiritual teachings. People like - - well, I shouldn't use. Communicators, like Ramtha, Emmanuel, Lazaris. There are. people who write articles about it. So there's an example of channeled. Back. in the early nineteenth century, the days of the great mediums, it seemed. Some of them are very profound, very thoughtful and. Others are mediocre, and some you wouldn't. They did some incredible studies. Did you know that Ira Progoff interviewed her in a very deep way. Progoff is a psychoanalyst, a Jungian- oriented analyst, and. Ramtha guide, and another one which was sort of a spirit of wisdom. He said. he was the spirit of wisdom, I guess it was, and so he represented creativity. Then she had another one who represented Logos, the. What Progoff concluded was that these were not separate. Eileen Garrett connecting with. But they're. not imaginary; they have some reality, if only in our own imaginary construction. So he felt that Eileen Garrett was tapping into those very mythological. Probably we. all have more potential than we realize, and that goes very deep. And then. that touches something else which really transcends the personal. And I. think that's one of the major ways of looking at the experience of channeling. Do you think. there's a relationship there? One is, if people are interested in doing channeling. It might be open to spirits. A Ouija board is sort. You don't know who might come. A second thing is that you can be possessed by. I know of some people who channeled, who. They are listening to their other voice, they are listening. Like some. people get addicted to computers, some people get addicted to chocolate. Lazaris is a very popular one, who claims never. Some channels give advice. Some charge high amounts for their workshops. She sort of looked very sorry and said, . But there is that, and one channel is giving out information. Northwest or some other part of the country. I know people who invested. Well, how do we evaluate this kind of material. Arthur? Some of it seems very sublime. Certainly from the point of view. And yet quite a. bit of it seems to be the product of a fantasy or a delusion, or a mixture. It's very easy to believe. Well, I remember a statement made by transpersonal psychologist. Charlie Tart, who said, . There are people here. So you needn't give over your. And I think. that's true not only on earth, but with channels who are bringing information. It's very impressive when they. And some are very good psychologists, so to speak; some are good. Yeats wrote a book called A Vision. He would wake up and see the essays written, and he wrote that. That brings up a curious point. My mother has. been an actress in community theaters. For example, she played the role. Blanche Du. Bois in A Streetcar Named Desire, a very powerful female role. Many people in the theater describe this experience. There's an interesting channeling story along this line. Charles. Dickens was writing The Mystery of Edwin Drood when he died. He was in. the middle of it, so it was incomplete. Well, several of his colleagues. Dickens' style. Then a few years. Thomas James, in Massachusetts or Vermont, somewhere. New England, got dictation from Charles Dickens to finish that novel. In. Brazil, for example, I've done some work with Luis Gasparetto, who goes. Degas, Picasso, Monet, Manet, Toulouse- Lautrec, Modigliani - - and in. Or Chico Xavier, who produces great. Rosemary Brown, who produces music this way in England. Now, the. spirits who are doing this, if indeed it's spirit, say, . We're doing it to prove survival. For example. parapsychology researchers who die have been said to come back, for the. The strongest. evidence, I think, for life after death comes from these cases where researchers. India, in England, in the United States - - and. So one motivation might be to prove that. And it occurs to me that another motivation might. Now, I think that is. There are. more evil forces in people than there are on the other side, in my estimation. I think we would go a long. That brings up another. Do you. get a better level of message, so to speak, from people who have worked. They felt sort of untouched in some way. They thought the material. Most people who. do channeling are bringing out messages that are more wise, or higher. Would you be interested in channeling if it were a. Nor would people pay five dollars. Looking at the. best of the channeled material, do you think that we can reasonably entertain. I wouldn't. go that far yet, because while some of the evidence that you can look at. What I would say is there are many channeled. I think it's to our benefit. If you accept. everything that comes along, you're going to get that, and your're going. But if you look at the great spiritual traditions, several of. The Hebrew prophets. Then our current channels, many. He heard it and wrote it down.
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